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Thrillers for me are books that I like

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to read. I was a big Robert Lelham fan,

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you know, growing up and he started the

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Born series, born identity and born

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supremacy and all that and that was just

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a great ride because it took you all

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over the world and you got to see

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different cultures and how people

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interact and secrets and high stakes and

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you know it mattered. Um, so I was kind

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of drawn to those stories just because

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it thrilled me and I thought it would be

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kind of fun to try to write a thriller

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like that. Building mystery into your

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thrillers, uh, is paramount. It's

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important. Um, because all thrillers

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have a sense of mystery. You know, you

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could look at like a Dan Brown's books.

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Um, you wouldn't necessarily classify

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them as simply as mysteries. You they're

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thrillers. They take place all over the

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world and the stakes are very high, but

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there are clues that, you know, his

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characters follow to try to resolve some

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type of issue. You write a story that's

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not a thriller or a mystery, the story

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is beautiful. It has characters and

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dialogue and narrative and all that, but

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the mystery component adds another

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layer. You have to have clues and red

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herrings and twists and deception, and

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you're trying to fool the reader until

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the end they and before they discover

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who did it. It's a house of cards unlike

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any other book. And if I start off with

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a clue that's here, that clue has to

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mean something up here, you know, when

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the book is nearing its finish. And if I

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get that connection wrong, the whole

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house of cards comes tumbling down. So

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you have to build those pieces in. And

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this is where it's really important to

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take the baby steps and to do a little

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piece at a time. Not don't try to think

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of the whole mystery all at once, how

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everything's going to fit together

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fluidly and all that. That's impossible.

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That's overwhelming. You'll be like

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you'll be paralyzed. You won't be able

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to write a single word. So just start

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with one thing. Please take baby steps.

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You don't have to do everything in one

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day. And often times for me, you know,

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one clue builds upon another clue builds

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upon another clue. Give yourself the

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time and the latitude to come up with

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these things. It's not easy to do. It's

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not like they just come off your out of

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your brain like a manufacturing line. It

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takes time and one often builds off the

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other.

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What's a thriller without great

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suspense? Everybody wants to be on the

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edge of their seats, nervous, not

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knowing what the next page is going to

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bring to them. And that's where I live.

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That is my sweet spot. That's where I'm

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in my element. So, I love to open

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stories with suspense right from the

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get-go. I hit the ground running. And

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oftentimes, I do that with a loss.

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Somehow, somebody loses something in

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those very few pages, first few pages,

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and all of a sudden the suspense is

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there because loss always leads to

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retribution to a payback. And people

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don't know how that's going to happen,

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where it's coming from. It can happen on

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the very next page, and all of a sudden,

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the suspense is there. I wrote a book a

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few years ago called The Guilty. It was

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Will Roby. He's on a mission. This guy's

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never failed on a mission. and uh he

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fails and he can't pull the trigger. The

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target is taken out by a backup, but his

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career is over because he failed to pull

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the trigger. That's a loss for him and

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he has to go on this journey to trying

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to figure out what's going on with that.

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you're when you're talking about these

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types of characters who have lost

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something, then all of a sudden you you

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have people who are plotting and

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planning to do something back. And that

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revenge factor builds suspense because

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the reader doesn't know what shape or

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form that's going to take. And it could

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be is Roi going to be walking down the

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street and somebody's gonna blow him

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away, you know? I don't know. It could

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be is somebody gonna, you know, detonate

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a bomb in his apartment and take him

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out. I don't know that either. So when

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people are plotting and planning against

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other people that build suspense because

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the readers have no idea what that

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retribution and the shape it's going to

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and one that's, you know, out there, um,

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is the reaction you're going to get from

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people. And the reaction is going to be,

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I can tell you what your reaction is

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going to be with a bad plot twist. Well,

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that was stupid. You know, he didn't,

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and the reason it's stupid is you didn't

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happen plausibly. Anyway, so people, not

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only didn't they not see it coming, u,

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you didn't set anything up for them to

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see it coming. The great plot twists are

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where you've laid a foundation for it

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stupid, the reader goes, I should have

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seen that one coming. Of course, it

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makes perfect sense. And the only way

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you do that is to plausibly build a

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scenario that allows that plot twist to

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happen down the road. And it's detail by

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detail, you know, morsel by morsel, clue

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by clue. I had spoken earlier about the

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opening for the fix when you have a man

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the FBI building and and Decker is there

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observing this and the way I just

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gleaned the material the writing you

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when these two people meet but you

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the instigator for it you know and then

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the twist happens but if you look the

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way I created the male character and

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what he was doing all of a sudden you

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realize when he pulls out the gun and

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shoots her and then shoots himself you

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opening, but I ignored it because the

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woman was a little more interesting. She

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was a little more mysterious, but he

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played fair. That's a great plot twist,

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you know, and but if I hadn't done that,

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shoots her, they would have been like,

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"Well, that was stupid." You know,

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perfectly, strung together in a way.

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have one false note, the whole piece

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once. This is what you build slowly,

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never saw that coming. You know, I

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that happen? And then you explained it

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as a a writer. You want to have readers

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saying, I never saw that one coming. And

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it could be really something subtle. It

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could be that when you say in in in a

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novel uh a character like Amos Zucker,

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beginning of the fallen. He's standing

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on the on the porch drinking a beer and

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a storm is rolling in. And then um in

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chapter 2, he's going to find two dead

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bodies in the house, but before he finds

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the dead bodies, he's sitting on the on

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the porch watching a storm come in,

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drinking a beer, and three things

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a clunk and a scrape. A clunk and a

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scrape. A clunk and a scrape. He hears a

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car start up, but he doesn't see it

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and hears a plane going over. Okay. Now,

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very opening in the book, readers are

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important. Okay. The clunk and the

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scrapes got to be important. The uh you

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know, the car starting up and we don't

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know where it went. You know, if he

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finds dead bodies, that's got to be

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important. Plane going over can't be

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important. It's a plane. What are you

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gonna do at 35,000 ft?

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I just laid the red herring. You know,

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red herrings are making people render

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mis assumptions about something. They

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assume, but it's a misassion. And you

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laid it out there for them. It's all

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right there. I told you the plane went

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over. You I told you there was a red

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light in the sky and this noise sound of

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a plane going over and you just assumed,

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wasn't a plane, then that's a red

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herring. So those are the types of

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things you have to think about, right?

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writers, magicians because you know the

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red herring over here and I I have to

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show it, you know, but but I don't want

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you to focus on it too much. I do

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something really interesting over here

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and you look over there and then it's

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gone. That's the kind of the response

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you listen from that would be like I

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never saw that one coming.

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A lot of times an editorial letters

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coming back for me in in my novels my

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editor and it's good that he does it

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will a comment will be like I don't feel

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the time ticking here. I feel like you

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know a little bit of focus has been

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lost. I don't feel like I think we

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strayed a little bit away from the main

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plot and I'd like to get you back on the

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track to keep this moving forward. I

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want to feel the nervousness that

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something is about to happen and and

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it's not going to be uh you know

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prevented in time. So, that's a great

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way to sort of instill tension uh in a

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in a thriller. Um, it could be you have

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to find someone. It could be you have to

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prevent something from happening. It

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could be you have to uncover a clue for

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uh that clue allows something really bad

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to happen to somebody or a lot of people

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or a place or a geographic location. Um,

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but that ticking clock is a great way

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and and it has to be set up. It can you

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just can't throw it in and forget about

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it. If you start a ticking clock in a

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novel, you have to keep coming back to

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it uh to give the reader uh who may not

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be totally aware where you're going with

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this to let them know this is a signal,

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you know what, this is important. Do not

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forget this as you go along. This is

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like the psychologist hat again you have

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to put on. be aware of your reader's

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perspectives of what you're tell when

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you're telling the story. Because if you

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if you let that lapse too long and then

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you bring it up again, you know, 200

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pages later, the reader's going to be

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confused and sort of disappointed

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because they're going to have to go back

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and why was that important again? And

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then you've lost the total momentum of

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the whole story.

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roller coaster ride. So, I bring you up

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to the top of the roller coaster. I let

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you sit up there for a little while and

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then down you go and then that's the

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adrenaline rush and then you catch your

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breath on the way back up. So, in all of

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my books, it's really important. I think

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it will be for you, too. Uh, nobody can

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sustain 500 pages of crap happening

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non-stop. It just one, it's not

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believable. Two, it's exhausting. And

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the result probably will be that people

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are going to be I can't finish this

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book. It's just there's too much going

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on. And because you're dealing with

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people, people can't do that either. You

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know, your characters are human. They

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they can't sustain that level of action

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and activity where bullets and bombs and

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stuff's happening all the time. So,

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there's got to be movements. And you got

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to take a breath. I call them take a

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breath chapters, take a breath sequences

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where u something really terrible has

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happened. Then I deal with the aftermath

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of that terrible, but I do it in a way

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where wounds are cleaned up. You know,

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people might have a dialogue about

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something else to totally unrelated.

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They might go get some more information.

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They might just go out and have a beer.

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they're sort of nursing their wounds.

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Um, you slow it down. The best thrillers

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uh kind of do that. You know, I I'm some

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some of the best thriller movies I've

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seen are and some people may not think

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of these movies as thrillers I do are

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Chinatown, North by Northwest, and Three

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Days of the Condor. And in each of those

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films, you will see this movement where

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crazy things happen and then there's a

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lull. Crazy things happens, people catch

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a breath, there's a lull. Um, that's

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really important because

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it's not just you're pacing the novel,

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it's the readers are having to pace

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themselves as well. I've been to I' I've

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been to movies where it's such an

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adrenaline rush that I almost feel sick

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to my stomach and I don't want to finish

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the movie because I just can't take

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there's no there's no place to to rest.

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miles an hour and there's no offramp for

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you to go and just sit there for a

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minute and collect yourself. The same

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with books, everybody. The reader take a

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breath, collect themselves, think about

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what they just read, process it,

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understand what it might mean going

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forward, and then up to the top of the

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roller coaster we go again.

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One technique that I like to use, I call

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it the take a breath and let me give you

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a recap. Okay, so really complicated

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plot. There's a lot going on. And I'll

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get to the point where I'm like, you

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know, I sense that a reader, and you as

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a writer will probably sense, I sense

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that a reader may be getting close to

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information overload, too many things

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going on all at once. They can't keep

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stuff track. They I'm I'm trusting them

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to remember something that happened 17

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chapters ago in order to make this

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chapter make sense. It could be Will

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Roby or Amos Decker or John Puller and

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they go over the case a little bit.

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They're talking to somebody. It's

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totally organic, makes total sense, fits

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in because detectives do that. They talk

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about stuff trying to as they're trying

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to figure it out. So, you know, Amos

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Decker may say something as simple. So

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here's what we know so far, you know,

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and he goes through the five points and

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that reinforces to the reader all the

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stuff that I expect them to kind of have

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a handle on now. It's almost like, you

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know, taking a refresher course at

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school. You know, you failed algebra, so

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you take it in summer school to give you

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a refresher course. So way back when

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their memory might have faltered a

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little bit. Now I'm giving them an extra

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help. Here's a little boost up. I know

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it's tough to follow all this stuff.

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Here's a little extra help for you. Now

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let's go ahead and move forward. That's

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a technique that I've used in a lot of

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different books and I've actually had,

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you know, fans write an email and stuff

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and say, you know, this is great how you

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do that because I never feel like I'm

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swimming in the ocean and I can't get

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back to shore um for giving a little bit

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help like that. But at the same time, it

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also helps you the writer because it

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will clarify for you everything that's

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going on the novel. And it may

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crystallize such an extent that the

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threads going forward are just a little

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more focused, a little sharper than than

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they otherwise would have been.

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I like cliffhers because um they leave

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something unresolved. And you as a

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writer, what you really want to build is

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when you say you want to build tension

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and suspense. Just throw those words out

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and focus on this word instead,

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anticipation. What you want to build is

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anticipation. That something is going to

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happen. You don't know if it's going to

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be good. You don't know if it's going to

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be bad, but something is going to happen

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as soon as I turn that next page. And a

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cliffhanger allows you to do that

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because it's like somebody's on a diving

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board and they walked up to it and they

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pushed down to get momentum and they're

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down at this point and then I end the

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chapter and then you don't know until

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the next chapter when they jumps off the

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board what's going to happen. So, it was

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almost like you paused in mid-scene and

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I love the effect that it has. You can't

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use it, you know, in every single

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chapter. it would feel too contrived

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that way. But as a writer, you have to

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pick your spots for that. And if you

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immerse yourself in the material, those

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spots, I think, will become far more

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readily apparent to you. There are

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multiple elements you can use uh to do a

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cliffhanger at the end of a chapter or

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the end of a section of a book to propel

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their reader. I I'll give you an example

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from Memory Man. Um in Memory Man, you

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the first chapter, you learn Damus

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Decker's lost his whole family. The

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second chapter you learn, you know, he's

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living in this residence in, he's a

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private detective. He's barely making

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it. He's grossly obese. He's let himself

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go for the last year and a half. And

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he's really almost hit rock bottom.

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And um he goes out and does a job where

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his job to this guy who's trying to scam

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this woman whose father is really

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wealthy. Uh he's been hired by the

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father to warn this guy off. So, he's

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waiting for this guy outside of the

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place where they're going to meet and

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they go in and Decker's watching him and

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the guy's meeting with the woman and all

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that and he knows he's a scam artist and

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the woman leaves and Decker comes over

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and totally in this really cool chess

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match between the two totally outplays

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this guy and you think at first that

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Decker's outmatched and then you know

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that Decker's playing seventh

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dimensional chess and this guy's not

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even playing checkers and then Decker

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just blows him away. Okay, that's the

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setup. And then, you know, he's at the

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residence in and his old partner, Mary

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Lancaster, comes up to him and Decker

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doesn't want to see her because he feels

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embarrassed about how he's letting

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himself go and all that. And he's kind

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of hit rock bottom. And you're leading

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up. You have no idea what Mary's going

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to tell this guy. Maybe she's there to

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console him, be a friend, how you doing?

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And at the end of the chapter, she says,

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"I have some news for you." And he's

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like, "He doesn't care about your

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family." and he looks up and she goes,

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"A guy just confessed to killing them."

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And that's the end of the chapter. And

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you know, not to humble brag, but I I I

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would guarantee you in a chapter like

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that that the reader is going to turn

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the page of the next chapter.

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So, I'm going to read a a chapter ending

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from Zero Day. It's the very first

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chapter in this novel.

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And this is, you know, I love to end

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chapters on cliffhers because it drives

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the reader to to the next page and the

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next chapter. And I think you'll find

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this, you know, informative, too. To set

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the scene up, there's a it starts off

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with a mailman who's delivering packages

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on his route in this little town in West

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Virginia. And he goes into this house uh

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cuz he has a package he has to give a

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signature for. It's one of those, you

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know, ones you have to sign off on. And

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the door is a jar. So, he he goes in uh

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to get the signature signed. And then

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here's how the chapter ends.

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An instant later, the wooden front door

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was thrown back, the knob punching a

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crater in the drywall, and the glass

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door was kicked open so hard that it hit

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the metal banister on the left side of

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the porch, shattering the glass. Howard

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Reed jumped from the top step to the

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dirt. His heels dug in. He gave one

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shudder, sank to his knees, and threw up

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what was little was left in his stomach.

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Then he rose and stumbled to his truck,

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coughing, wretching, and yelling in

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terror like a man suddenly deranged. And

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he was. Howard Reed would not make it to

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the dollar bar today.

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And the dollar bar was a place he was

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going to go have a drink after he

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finished his last round of of mail

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delivery. And that that was it. So with

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that, you understand that the main

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question is what in the hell did this

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guy see in the house that caused that

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reaction from him? And you know, not to

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toot my own horn, but I if you don't

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read the next chapter after reading that

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ending, then I I have nothing to give

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you because it's just, you know, there's

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nothing else I can have in my arsenal

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that would entice you. And I like sort

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of ending it in a scene like that where

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for me thrillers are all about

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anticipation, you know, and I love

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opening lines and I love closing lines

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and chapters where I give you something

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just enough that you can anticipate that

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something is going to happen momentarily

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and you just got to find out what it is.

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It's like, you know, you can't eat just

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one lay potato chip. You got to go for

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the whole bag. So for me to set it up

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that way, I love to build anticipation

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because I know that most readers are

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going to be like, I got to read one more

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chapter.
